pretty rotten.. Just saying a lot of vile things. And the things that were done to them after they left. Gosh she is just filthy with gossip as fact and at very best half the story. I see that as just simply implicating a larger group and a conspiracy to use church money for stuff that was never intended. She gave it to me to get to the elders. James MacDonald and His Earlier Attacks on Julie Roys. And I said, Listen, I get it. Imagine such a thing. As I saw it, this letter of unconditional support was a huge and somewhat desperate PR move on James MacDonalds part, to say, hey, look, all our leaders stand with us, I must be okay. And this still disheartens me, because the people of Harvest, who we were supposed to be overseeing at that point, we were silent on that weekend, because we couldnt come to an agreement about what we would do. Im sorry, before a so called board.removes a man of God they must first consider the fruit of his ministry. But I knew I needed to do it. Its funny how things turn out, and this situation isnt wrapped up, yet. But, at whatever time it was, you know, midnight in India or something sitting in the lobby, I sent an email, put my name on it, heres my statement. In this episode of The Roys Report, former Harvest elder, Dan George, joins Julie to tell the real story of MacDonalds firing. #JRgossipslut #JRcancerinChristsbody. I wrote back to her, and I apologized to her. Get new articles and breaking news delivered to your inbox. Give a gift of $30 or more to The Roys Report this month, and you will receive Escaping the Maze of Spiritual Abuse by Dr. Lisa Oakley and Justin Humphreys. One, its impossible, and were gonna get killed, were gonna get slaughtered on that. But according to a recent email by MacDonald, hes a victim of defamation by an envious childand needs your money to rebuild.. I really am so very sick of these self-righteous, insensitive, insulting church leaders who think they are the only ones who have a hardwire connection to God preaching on the subject of wives submit to your husbands while they leave out the husbands responsibility to love their wives as Christ loved the church. And we would be loved, it would actually be a loving thing for us to do. Whats the point of arguing the point, you know, like, okay, youre gonna say you dont remember that part. Give a gift of $30 or more to The Roys Report this month, and you will receive a copy of Escaping the Maze of Spiritual Abuse by Dr. Lisa Oakley and Justin Humphreys. Jacob Ross, all the credit card that James used for personal expenses. And they said, I remember Dan telling me that that James slammed his fist on the table. I stepped away from my computer a couple of times. The picture with deceiver Kari Lake speaks volumes! For narcissists, attracting attention is the point. You can unconditionally love someone. But by the time we were done that night, the decision that night was two things. And I did it. And so really appreciate that and appreciate the time at which you did that. I payed for you and James. Also, if youre in the market for a car, I encourage you to check out my friends at Marquardt of Barrington. And James, recently, in this video that he posted, said that there was an elder, in these meetings, he says, its very, very disparagingly who, who was holding his Bible and kept reading scripture. I mean, just stuff that you just cant even fathom comes from a man who supposedly is a man of God, a preacher of the gospel. Its almost like he got a bit weird with elephant conference and his new ministry associations as he left the Gospel Coalition and jumped into the Prosperity group. So walk us through the drama of that weekend, James McDonald trying to save his job. And I actually requested the letter from Sandy, because Sandy had shared some things with us about what she had seen. We dont know what it would look like tomorrow. So he was fired. And you know, Rick Donald was one of the people. How much do you make? All my legal fees got paid. But by the middle of day, right, we were talking about how we were clearly going to have to have an elder board meeting that night. In June, Visconti also posted a picture of him and his wife with James MacDonald and his wife. The Roys Report seeks to foster thoughtful and respectful dialogue. Dan George served as an elder at Harvest Bible Chapel over a period of 10 years, actively serving on the elder board from 2010 through 2015, and rejoining the board in late 2018. He was the second longest tenured pastor at Harvest. Thank you for loving the Church and the Lord God Almighty, to take the hard but righteous way rather than the hard way. It was really it was a painful meeting, it was a was an eye opening meeting as well though. Like this had been a months long drawn out battle. It was a large elder board. To donate, James MacDonald Ministries June 13, 2021 Email, Ed Stetzer Named Dean of Biola Universitys Talbot School of Theology, James MacDonald Preaching at ARC Megachurch in Arizona, Landon MacDonald to Lead Arizona Megachurch Despite Allegations of Abuse When at Harvest Bible Chapel, Why Businessman Peter Chung Matters for the Future of The Kings College. James MacDonald, who was recently fired as senior pastor at Harvest Bible Chapel, is now facing an allegation of sexual misconduct by the church's former worship leader. Like Tullian Tchvidjian, he would be a great salesman. This isnt phrased to have constructive conversation. (Proverbs 27:12). We knew I needed to do it. Think Ill go preach at my cat nowhe has huge ears & better discernment than those willfully cowering in the open cage of the corporate state-church. Im sad for his fall. And I hope I hope that a lot of people have read that and they dont owe me anything, but I hope its been healing to them. The elder board is still in the dark. My husband really appreciates James McDonalds preaching against my better judgement I told him about the new messagesso we have the Advent message from his Home Church network cast to the TV I had planned to leave the room so I didnt have to watch it I have to tell you he sounds sincere (without wax) I find the whole situation so heart breaking and confusing. We knew what we knew what we were going to do. At the end of that weekend, before James MacDonald got fired in February 2019. They should go to the reconciliation team. It was a heated discussion about letters and who should have the letters who should read the letters, etc., that night. Great! At least some did. According to his email, MacDonald has been able to hire a small staff and encouraged people to sign up for his Home Church Networkvideo messages for people to use in a home church. Were supposed to approve this budget, and we dont even have a line item. She was a late comer to those of us who had been exposing MacD for a long time. If theres other passages we should be talking about, lets talk about them. And everybody had to say, right? I would listen to MacArthur, Piper and Macdonald on a regular basis. Again, only you and Mike Dunwoody, did that publicly. I did not cover my iniquity. That this was all a plot by him that he was vengeful, towards James McDonald. The Asbury Revival Is Over. How do spot a safe pastorand can. I was there at HBC & witnessed it. I am so sorry to report that he has not changed. Ive looked back at that email thread, Ron Duitsman who was the elder board chairman, resigned that day. Now what we did do is there were probably I dont remember the number Julie. Just finished my post on clarifiers that will precede the deception lists. Yeah, yeah. How come its always wives submit to your husbands and never husbands love your wives? Opinion: What is Revivaland is it Happening at Asbury? His employment is coming to an end. You do that, and hope that the person will repent, and that they will turn and that therell be restoration. And yet so many still have not and still waiting for James McDonald to do that. Church, Ministry News So, Julie Roys decided to do what she does best - investigative journalism - in order to find out the truth in the world of m. . it's time for the cult of personality of James MacDonald at Harvest chapter to close and the actual Bible to be opened . There was a spirited discussion of the letters and who should be able to read the letters. My strength is dried up, as by the heat of summer. And learn how MacDonald almost escaped being exposedand how six scathing letters that revealed MacDonalds true nature almost failed to reach the elder board. So if youre listening, you need and you havent read those letters, you need to go back and Dean Butters, I mean that one has to be just the emotional impact of the the bullying and the abuse, and then even a video where he mocked a very well known Christian leader because she was getting married in midlife for the first time and mocking her for never having sex before. It looks like these contemporary churches are just fundamentalists in different garb. Im Julie Roys. Although as soon as, pretty much after Mancow aired it. Yes, I agree. And by the meeting that night, the executive committee came to the elder board with a unanimous recommendation, per the bylaws, that James McDonalds employment should be terminated for cause at that point. It didnt sit right with me when I heard about it, that the church was suing you, and the Mahoneys, and the Bryants. And marital and sexual satisfaction plummet.. I remember talking and saying, guys, were all going to give an account to the Lord one day for what were doing in this meeting. We are so embarrassed and disgusted by his gross actions in the last 30 years. No One Knows. I know James McDonald says it was a conference call. Production and performance have replaced biblical exegesis and fellowship. He wasnt bringing it to the elders and through a discussion with a couple of the pastors, chose to give it to the elders, which we were thankful for. And I thought, well, I got to read the letter. And it was just a deep sadness, deep sadness. (God) says, the prudent see danger and take refuge. Vernick, however, believes abuse is grounds for divorce. To myself, I said, and do our job. And youre going to hear all about what happened in those meetings and the strong arm tactics that McDonald used to try and get his way. You dont know how I got ahold of them. Thats what meeting and when youre in a conference called and youre making a decision like that, every elder everybody on the meeting on the call had to make right had the voice be asked any question you have. And we shouldnt be, you know, happy with standing in line and say, well, so and so said that, right? You know, theres, I would say, round two, but I my guess is there were lots of small rounds in there, of people being silenced and bringing charges and, and the board looking the other way. That was a very common part of how Harvest approached things like that. But James McDonald, he did not like to fly with the commoners, from what I understand. Keep in touch with Julie and get updates in your inbox! So if you cant say anything, I mean, again, hes dismissive of the actual letters. And at the end of the night, we looked around the room, we had talked through it. It seems we are being punished for the acts of someone who was our spiritual leader and was misleading us in a very unqualified way. However, you did sign a letter of unconditional support. She wrote about, you alluded to it, she wrote about the end of this Risen for the Nations tour when they were in Haiti. One is, I dont want people to give up on the church. And I know it was a battle. Whoever said the dumbest thing had to take off an, Despite being disqualified from public ministry by his former megachurch for a pattern of sinful behavior, James MacDonald is preaching at Generation. Understandable. I think, how is it that we had the word of God sitting in front of us, which is pretty clear about what to do. He should sell cars or computers. It was positioned as an attack because the ministry was growing and those people were bitter, etc. Not everybody had the physical letters, but we talked through what was in the letters. And I listened to it. He had joined, I think a year into, into Harvests history. And we talk about that Scripture and quote it over and over again. 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Well, and I remember, I remember this whole thing, because Im getting bits and pieces from different sources about whats going on and whats happening. And her being in my house and literally shaking as shes recounting. The owners of Marquardt are friends of mine, Dan and Kurt Marquardt. Give a gift of $30 or more to The Roys Report this month, and you will receive Escaping the Maze of Spiritual Abuse by Dr. Lisa Oakley and Justin Humphreys. . Jennifer Not all he said was false because then it would have been obvious to any discerning Christian. Patient, kind, not self-seeking. And I sat and prayed. Im Julie Roys. It basically says Jesus is as real as Santa Claus. She first came to my attention with James MacDonald, then with Ravi Zacharias, and now John McArthur plus one of his side-kicks is in her cross-hairs. I remember sitting on my couch waiting to press the button to publish it. And I gotta tell you, the people of Harvest, the people who were there before, the people who were still there, were so forgiving. I know its your hope too, Dan, and I just want to thank you. I said, I will confess my transgression to the Lord, and you forgave the iniquity of my sin. To donate, click here. Julie Roys is a veteran investigative reporter and founder of The Roys Report. Maybe some have on this platform for posting Julie has provided, but Ive never seen it. Subscribe here for Pastor James' twice-weekly email devotionals straight to you inbox, plus occasional updates regarding his ministries, events, and personal news. The ministry is growing, we should expect to be attacked. But to tell people they have to stay in a situation of violence, trauma and harm, or return to it, this is not a core tenet of Christianity. A strong woman with a weak husband will become a toxic woman. Jesus help us. On February 13, the elders announced James MacDonald had been fired . What it really means to speak the truth in love, one post read. And my job was to get it to fellow elder board. to anyone whos been a part of, of what went on. Dan also was in numerous meetings with James McDonald prior to his firing. And Im just trying to smear him. There was a whole discussion about whether he was repentant and I said, I dont know, hes not repentant. And marital and sexual satisfaction plummet., We are meant to set aside power and authority and serve one another (Matthew 20:25-28) as we are partnered together (Ecclesiastes 4:9-12), Gregoire added. And lets just, for people who dont know, tell them who Rick Donald is and the position he held and his relation to James McDonald. Thank you. I was literally sitting in a hotel lobby waiting for a pickup at one oclock in the morning to catch an overnight flight back from India. I have them up at my website if you want to see those. If you read his letter, he was going to publish his letter. I didnt, I didnt argue with him. uterus or clean out a womb after a stillbirth (because these treatments are labeled abortions, and even that word brings out comments like yours). Welcome to The Roys Report, a podcast dedicated to reporting the truth and restoring the church. And I had already written back to Executive Committee Chairman at the time and said, we cannot say unconditional support. Dan resigned from the Harvest elder board in March 2019, calling for reform. His support of Kari Lake shows that he supports her lies. Also, any comments with profanity, name-calling, and/or a nasty tone will be deleted. And and Im still feeling it and Im still hearing from people. And he was the elder who insisted that scathing letters written by former and current staff at Harvest actually reached the members of the board. No, its not how it went down, Julie. I acknowledge my sin to you. The Lord made it really clear. So appreciate that and appreciate your humility. Dr. John Street, the head of counseling at MacArthurs The Masters University, takes a harder line. No, Im just reporting. Okay. If this passage defines what a strong husband looks like, I think most of the issues take care of themselves. Get new articles and breaking news delivered to your inbox. Great! Come out of her, my people. If hes ok with lies, that calls into question everything he preaches. I think he might have and the reason I say that is that weekend, so you know, here we are on Tuesday, Tuesday, the fifth. But I had all I had all the letters by that point. There were times in the meeting where, you know, I didnt even know what gaslighting was. Well, again, joining me today is Dan George, a former elder at Harvest, and one of only two former elders whos apologized to me personally, for some of the nasty things that were said about me when I was reporting on the church and James McDonald. But before I dive into my interview with Dan, I just want to take a minute to thank the sponsors of the Roys report, Judson University and Marquardt of Barrington. That was you, wasnt it? Again, six, absolutely scathing letters. And when he sees he cant save it, it sounds like then he was trying to lobby for being able to resign, and a lot of emotional manipulation being used that weekend from from what youve told me. Both are true. We turned out to have six witnesses who wrote 28 pages with innumerable charges. Prominent evangelical scholar, author, and missiologist, Ed Stetzer, is leaving his position as executive director of Wheaton Colleges The Billy Graham Center to become dean, Despite being disqualified from public ministry by his former megachurch for a pattern of sinful behavior, James MacDonald is preaching at Generation Churchan Association of, An Arizona megachurch has hired Landon MacDonald as a lead pastor, despite allegations MacDonald bullied and abused those in his care while pastoring at Harvest, It has been said, Show me a persons checkbook and I can tell you what he cares about. Social Action, 1964 James MacDonald, the, Christian actor Kirk Cameron on Monday featured disgraced pastor James MacDonald as a guest on Camerons TBN Takeaways program on biblical illiteracy. MacDonald was fired, Mark DeMoss, a man described by Christianity Today as Evangelicalisms PR Guru and a former Liberty University trustee, is apparently spending time with two men, Its been more than two years since Harvest Bible Chapel fired James MacDonald for engaging in conduct . So Rick had been there 29 plus years. Ostensibly, one of the assets MacDonald obtained in the arbitration settlement is the list of email addresses of former Walk in the Word supporters. to Rick Donald. Because they stood up to James or they just tried to walk away quietly because they couldnt they couldnt stomach what was going on any any longer. . However as I grew in age and hopefully in wisdom, I consulted other versions of the Bible. So lets move on to these letters. Get new articles and breaking news delivered to your inbox. And so I was pulling into the garage, and I knew I knew, as soon as I pulled in the garage, you know, I was, I was gonna go drive up to whatever floor and go to the meeting. Your tax-deductible gift helps our journalists report the truth and hold Christian leaders and organizations accountable. So they have no idea what they really these, the elder board was large and had no idea really who James MacDonald was, am I right? Also, any comments with profanity, name-calling, and/or a nasty tone will be deleted. Why is it important to you to let people know what really happened? And by that time Harvest was 30, in its 31st. And then immediately after I felt that relief, I thought of Betsy Corning. James MacDonald. We brought up several things from the letters with James McDonald that night, and he was just dismissing everything we brought up. On January 7, 2019, Harvest elders announced they decided to drop the lawsuit against Julie Roys and four other individuals. year. And theres Ephesians 5 about exposing the unfruitful works of darkness having nothing to do with those. There would be no Roys Report without Judson University. But as, as these excerpts of James speaking as, as James did, to so many people knew that, that this was the way he really, really spoke and who he really was. And there were several of us saying, you know, looking at I Timothy 5, looking at Hebrews 13:17, which tells us that elders are going to give an account. While we were doing that, I was in my office at home. So quick to forgive and people were giving me hugs the next night. On that Haiti trip. There is a solution for our sin in Scripture. That was really wrongdoing at Harvest, would be to repent. Judson University is shaping lives that shape the world. Ill tell you one thing, Julie. Good to be here. Because your article seemed to conflate all these things. Marquardt is a Buick GMC dealership where you can expect honesty, integrity and transparency. And that was the day that Mancow Muller aired these excerpts. Tragically . And while youre at it, Id really appreciate it if youd help us spread the word about the podcast by leaving a review. I think of the timing, I think it was earlier that day, that I actually I sent I had sent Sandys letter out, because Sandy sent, she addressed her letter to the elder board. I knew that I wasnt going to win any arguments in the room. I appreciate elders (Hebrews 13:17). Youre better off reading the Bible at home with your cat. Again, youre seeing it from a total other perspective where Im the bad guy, James is a good guy. If not, youre probably looking at what Paul latter in the chapter describes as an immature child. So at the end of the night, no one got the letters. Ron Duitsman, Chairman of the Board, who agreed to fire James, now appears to be out there, saying that after James got fired, that the elders were were spinning what happened in a false way. Gosh she is just filthy with gossip as fact and at very best half the story. 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