And that's when she said, `He loves you, more than me. Kuenne said he's grateful that politicians championed a law that could save lives. Having watched the documentary about this case, I really needed to read this book. MORRISON: What was it like to hear that she was going to get out of prison? Right, right. I never really convinced myself that she, could--that she would hurt Zachary. If they had awarded custody to the Bagbys and not granted that monster bail Zachary would be a young man and Shirley Turner would be serving her sentence in a Pennsylvania Women's Prison. (Shirley in court; Supreme Court of Newfoundland sign), Mr. BAGBY: And then they started slogging through the courts with one issue, MORRISON: In the meantime, Andrew's parents made a momentous. Suddenly, the Bagbys were appointed Zachary's main carers. The 28-year-old California native, a family medical practice resident, died Nov. 5, 2001. Then, 8.5 months after Andrew Bagby was murdered - July 18, 2002 - Turner gave birth to a boy, who she named Zachary Turner. Its something that cant be forgiven, says Shears. Ms. TURNER: (Audio recording) (Unintelligible) Hi, sweetheart. One of the best books that I have ever read. Meeting her at 6. Dance with the Devil is a eulogy for a dead son, an elegy for lives cut tragically short, and a castigation of a broken system. David has written a book about the case, Dance with the Devil: A Memoir of Murder and Loss. killed herself and Zachary in a murder-suicide. For the Bagbys, Zacharys birth was the start of more than a year of renewed joy and incomprehensible pain. Please try again. Sitting with Kate and David in the sunny house where they raised their son, its almost as if they can see those days right in front of their eyes. "We had to do something to channel our rage and sorrow," he says. Cpl. I thought it was just going to chronicle a murdered man's life, for his son to reflect back on when he was older - because his father was killed before he was born. It pains me to award only two stars to a book written by David Bagby, but I want to use the Goodreads' ranking system more accurately. The couple had met in medical school at Memorial University of Newfoundland. The night was. Six-month-old Zachary was, returned to her. As the police searched for Turner and Zachary through the day on Aug. 18, Kate and David waited in their apartment with the Rev. "This is it recognition by the legal community, which includes Parliament, that bail had something to do with Zachary's death. Did. The Bagbys and their grandchild were living in a cramped apartment. 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At times, one would pull the other back from the brink. He said, `What can happen?'. Two months later, with the extradition process still grinding on, Turner announced she was pregnant with Andrew's child. ", Get email updates with the day's biggest stories. But instead of folding, Kate became a volunteer advocate for foster children and started helping the parents of other murdered children. Kate and David thus lose their son and grandson to the same evil womanand the former might still be alive today had the court system not let Shirley walk free. KATE: I sat there and bit my lip and cried. MORRISON: When you did find out that she was pregnant, what was your thought? His parents were ecstatic. Go away.'. However awkward Shirley Turner made it, they were sweet, cooperative. It took a series of calls, but Kate eventually heard the words she so feared. Easy duty. They smothered him in kisses and often spoke to him about Andrew. get in there, if that's what she demanded. But how? I haven't read this book yet but I have seen the documentary Dear Zachary. MORRISON: There might have been a particular reason for this. "There, is no indication of a psychological disorder that would give concern about, potential harm to the public generally as her crime, while violent, was, specific in nature." Her former lover was found dead in a parking lot at Keystone State Park in Pennsylvania,northeast of Pittsburgh. MORRISON: But then she claimed she couldn't find it. They did their best to keep their dark feelings about their son's accused. MORRISON: In July 2003, a year and eight months after their son's, murder, Andrew's friend, filmmaker Kurt Kuenne, who'd been making the, documentary film for Zachary about the father he'd never know, arrived in. and our Mr. BAGBY: That's one of the options, and that's the one we hoped for. It was deeply affecting and the saddest true crime story I have ever heard of. How could Kate Bagby from Sunnyvale have anything to do with murder? Then, on August 16, six weeks before Turner was to appear in court, the Bagbys went with her and Zachary to a swimming pool. Please try again. Neither speaks for the other. It is a cry for change in the Canadian justice system that allowed his sons killer to roam free. But Turner did a strange thing: she woke Zachary up and said to him: "Say goodbye to Grandma and Grandad. Mr. SIMPSON: I said, `Do not meet her in private.' "This was our goal," said Bagby. If Shirley, Turner had her way, they wouldn't have met Zachary at all, claiming she didn't. ', Mr. SHEARS: Things happen in America that don't seem to happen up here as. I kind of. She spends most of her free time watching hit reality TV shows or writing about it for ScreenRant. KATE: I had a great childhood. But two months later, that would change, after Shirley appealed, again to be released on bail. Miss Manners: I shouldn't call because the phone scares people? It was a joy and Zachary was much loved, Kate says. GARDNER: (Audio recording) Would you be willing to turn the gun into your local police department so they could get it to us to let us look at it? '", "The murder has dominated our lives," says her husband, David, 63. Though David and Kate ultimately did not find their happy ending on Temptation Island, they both seem to be in a better place since the show aired. American authorities asked Canadian, authorities to send her back to the US, which would require an extradition, hearing. Andrew Bagby, 28, was their light, their love, their boy. Mr. BAGBY: What are you going to say that will MORRISON: And find something she did, going so far as telling, them that they had some anger issues which needed to be addressed by a, (Photo of Shirley; photo of Kate and David), Ms. TURNER: (Audio recording) There has been, I guess, a lot of, uncomfortable feeling on both our parts. Im sure shes just gone somewhere. First published in 2007, Dance with the Devil: A Memoir of Murder and Loss follows Andrew's family as they . Than they are able to see a light at the end of the tunnel when she announces she is pregnant with Andrew Bagby's child, to be named Zachary. This sad tale tells how slowly justice moved and failed to protect an innocent year old child. And now I want to read the book. Temptation Island: Where To Follow The Season 3 Single Girls On IG. I only live a block away.' I would have to dream up some reason to go over, there in the middle of the night, to--for me to just appear on her doorstep, Mr. BAGBY: Turned out I wasn't. At the final bonfire, David and Kate broke up, with Kateleaving the island aloneand David leaving with one of the single women, Toneata. It would be kind of upsetting, I guess, to let your son spend time. Tragically, this is proven exactly right when she kills Zachary. The September 2006 report, which chronicles the law enforcement and legal developments in the case, provides many of the details in the story that follows. he was fussy at all. Written by the father of the murder victim, you learn all the details that led up to his son's murder and the preventable murder of his grandson. First she killed Andrew Bagby. Mommy misses you. In Canada, extradition involves a number of complex steps. Dear Abby: Why do they imply my husband is a freak? A variation on glop, adds David, but it was good, often. For the first time in years, David Bagby and his wife Kate are decorating their home for Christmas. So far, nothing has changed - but continuing the legal battle helps give David and Kate the strength to carry on. At least he might have asleep when she went in. Right? murderer in check. And I don't know, I just lay on top of her and we, MORRISON: T.J. opened the door to police, too, and heard the. The first time we had contact with her was over the phone. The workers notes say Turner spent most of the time talking about a planned interview with CBSs 48 Hours. The TV news magazine would give her a chance to tell her side of the story. AN AMAZING BOOK WHICH HONOURS TWO AMAZING LIVES. MORRISON: Andrew Bagby. hoped Shirley Turner would be returned to the US to face a murder trial. Then, upon. "We had to deal with her to get to Zachary.". He was in a little crib and David and I knelt down at his feet and he was just, beautiful.". Zachary himself was murdered by his mother as well. A security guard reported hearing a. Mr. SHEARS: When we woke up in the morning, realized they weren't there. Cpl. Book details an absolute tragedy in the Canadian justice system. Ms. TURNER: (Audio recording) Or what about the one of me and Andrew? She appealed and a hearing was set for September 2003. doesn't take much to pull a trigger, does it? Thus, the film largely revolves around Andrew's death and the impact it had on his friends and family. They have the memory of their son, Andrew, and the memory of his son, Zachary. Mr. SHEARS: Yeah, I guess it did at the time, but I still didn't have, MORRISON: How difficult must it have been to ingratiate, themselves with their son's suspected killer? MORRISON: Was it reasonable for the court to trust her? So intense, horrifying, and yet inspired by the love and devotion of Andrews parents and their dedication to raise and teach their one and only sweet grandson. Its rage with me, he says. He'd been shot five times, including in the back of the head. MORRISON: Because Zachary liked you best? was tragically killed by his mother, and thusjust like his fatherthe rest of the film focuses on the impact of his death. Those words, David says, are burned into my heart.. And she followed Andrew to St. John's.. Therefore be forewarned that the back of the book reveals exactly what happened, as does the book itself near the beginning. In November 2001, Bagby was found dead under suspicious circumstances in a local park, to the anguish of many. Mr. KUENNE: I vowed to collect every memory for you before they, MORRISON: As for Andrew's parents, David and Kate, they were, (Graduation photo of Andrew, Kate and David; Shirley with child). One for such a wonderful young man that you raised. She landed a residency at a hospital in Iowa, several states away but still close enough to allow occasional weekends with Andrew in Pennsylvania. You were done. Zachary didn't seem like. Ms. TURNER: (Audio recording) Well, I have that for protection. David Bagby, left, and Kate Bagby, right, celebrate with their son Andrew Bagby at his graduation from medical school at Memorial University of Newfoundland in June 2000. Are you having a good day with grandmom and. Father murdered. They were living like students, says the Rev. Zachary's birth gave the documentary new impetus. As Kate and David talk about their son, you can see the teamwork. Box 500 Station A Toronto, ON Canada, M5W 1E6. Theyre as much in love as any couple Ive ever seen in my life, anywhere, says Andrews lifelong friend Kuenne. "Honestly, that's one of the things that makes me most happy about the passage of the law," he said from Burbank, Calif. "I hope it will enable them to kind of move on mentally and enjoy good things in life. The man said Turner had called him about 200 times in a one-month period, including a call to tell him she was pregnant with his child. KATE: (To Zachary) Kurt knew your daddy when he was a little boy. But in January 2003, the legal system confounded their expectations yet again. Despite being a documentary, this film revolves around a major plot twist in its second half, and many of the trope names themselves are spoilers for it. Mr. KUENNE: (Kate holding Zachary) Hello, bud. Afterwards Turner ran off to Canada (she had duel citizenship) before Pennsylvania Cops could arrest her for Dr. Andrew Bagby's brutal murder. but if we don't get help, we don't know if we're doing what's best. Cpl. Kate, who is six years older than David and had been married before, was ready to get married again and start a family, while David was not at that point in his life. GARDNER: (Audio recording) I'm interested in the gun. They raised a wonderful, Unidentified Man #26: Thanks for bringing such a wonderful person. He'd been shot five times, including once in the back of the head, execution style. Content-wise, this Is exactly what I wanted and more. Spent casings matched Turner's handgun and a witness saw a car similar to hers parked next to Andrew's car. One credit a month to pick any title from our entire premium selection yours to keep (you'll use your first credit now). Unidentified Woman #12: We won't forget their son. decision. The treatments worked a sweet miracle and on Sept. 25, 1973, Andrew David Bagby was born. David and Kate Bagby must have been saints to have had to tolerate personal dealings with their only child's murderess,and basically have to groval to her to even see their precious only-ever grandchild.Yet,they did whatever they could for the sake of Zachary.Most people (myself included) would have made away with Shirley Turner the first chance they got.Why should they have even been put in that insane situation in the first place? His medical studies in Newfoundland were complete. GARDNER: (Audio recording) Yeah. The legal system helped her kill Zachary. It's pretty easy to analyze what the, options are. Tragic doesn't even come close to describing this case. KATE: I knew exactly what my son looked at before he died. True, heartbreaking story of a son's disastrous love relationship and the son his murderer bore. Newfoundland MP Scott Andrews introduced the private member's bill to reform bail provisions. In the, tribute documentary their son's best friend Kurt Kuenne was making to someday, give Zachary, the Bagbys' friends recount how difficult it was for David and. Immortalized in the spellbinding documentary Dear Zachary, this angry, raw, and brutally honest memoir of murder and loss chronicles a system's failure to prevent the death of a child. While battling the extremely long court system in Canada, they did all they could to keep things civil between themselves and the accused murderer of their son. Unfortunately, there is not court case, as the accused murderer killed herself. He grew into a smart kid, an Eagle Scout who loved to read. But that is what the Bagbys. Ms. TURNER: (Audio recording) Then I can't consent to more time right now. Ms. TURNER: (Audio recording) I know you don't want to, you don't intend to. I can understand that. children, who had recently been in a bad car accident. MORRISON: Winter is capricious in Newfoundland; repeatedly, spring is briefly offered and then taken back again. This is tragically cut with one of Andrew's friends remembering that he was never latewhich is how he knew, when Andrew didn't arrive to his house as planned, that something was terribly wrong. Mr. BAGBY: Constable Walsh asking to call him. But before that could happen, Shirley was apparently deemed neither, dangerous nor a flight risk and almost immediately released on bail, most of, it posted by one of her mentors from med school, a psychiatrist to whom she'd, gone for treatment after Andrew's murder. But of course I didn't. This report aired Dateline Friday, July 23. Mr. BAGBY: By this time we're pretty damn sure she's complete. Immortalized in the spellbinding documentary Dear Zachary, this angry, raw, and brutally honest true crime memoir of murder and loss chronicles a system's failure to prevent the death of a child. And he was beautiful, Kate says. Understood? "At some point in the future, a judge will see this and research it and I'm hoping that it will protect minor children.". He would always be sitting on that chair, there, Kate says, pointing to a stool at the kitchen breakfast bar, on the phone.. When they pulled up at Turners place, the mother slipped Zachary out of his car seat. MORRISON: The girl was Heather, also an aspiring doctor. in honor of his beloved friend Andrew, and then for Andrew's son, Zachary. Mr. BAGBY: (Audio recording) You don't like this answer, but I'm going to, give it to you again. TVTropes is licensed under a Creative Commons Attribution-NonCommercial-ShareAlike 3.0 Unported License. MORRISON: Andrew tried to make a clean break with Shirley in October 2001. Then, even if the court orders extradition, Canadas federal justice minister must decide whether to hand over the fugitive to U.S. authorities. When I was growing up, she just seemed like just a normal mom, Sheers, 24, says. I didn't have. MORRISON: But would that somebody turn out to be a blessing or a curse? Kate went to the floor, and I kicked the door and--oh, we, just--just like with Andrew, there's nothing you can do. MORRISON: Andrew's body was discovered the following morning with bullets lodged in his face, buttock, chest, the back of his head. Then you just get used to it.. He was jolly.. It is recommended that you watch the film first before reading on (though do be warned it is NOT an easy or pleasant watch in the slightest. But the interview never happened and the social workers brief report was one of the last notes to ever go into Turners file. "It was like being at war," adds David. In fact, Turner would travel frequently from Iowa to visit Andrew in Latrobe, something shed done the week before he was killed. Instead they focused on their physician sons legacy, while contemplating ways to honor his memory. He was the whole world to them. And because he made friends easily, the Bagbys home was the hangout for Andrew and his friends. Kate and David Bagby's beloved son was murdered by a deranged ex-lover, who then announced she was carrying his baby. And that was midafternoon. The days Andrew and his buddies would goof-off, watch movies and sleep over right there in the family room. In the wake of the shocking turn of events, Andrew's father, David Bagby, wrote a true crime memoir that is described as "a eulogy for a dead son, an elegy for lives cut tragically short, and a castigation of a broken system.". Mommy loves you. There won't be any question about whether she can hurt, MORRISON: Coming up, as David Bagby wrestles with these terrible. Tragedy, doubled Andrew Bagby, a gregarious family-practice resident at Latrobe, was found shot to death on Nov. 5, 2001, in Keystone State Park. flying; Canadian flag flying; Supreme Court of Newfoundland building exterior; photos of Shirley; court document; university building; man talking to, reporters; court documents; Kate and David). And now a vindictive stalker had killed him shot him again and again until the gun wouldnt shoot any more and left him to die in the November cold of a remote parking lot near Latrobe. MORRISON: It's no easy thing to be a doctor in America. Meanwhile, Kate and David's bond with Zachary grew stronger. was that they'd have to accept her daily phone calls. David expresses his intense rage and his intense patience with Turner superbly. MORRISON: But she was allowed to go back to Newfoundland? And Kate would walk into the house, especially when Andrew was home for a visit from the University of California-Irvine. He had returned to the US and had discovered a passion for family practice, where his love for people--and theirs for him--seemed as natural, as comfortable as the quiet town in Pennsylvania in which he'd chosen to live. We. All the years that she was good to me as a mother was pretty much thrown out the window at the end.. David was taking pictures, Kate says. Cpl. KATE: You get a different kind of relationship with God after this kind of. But with special people, yes. The suicide, he says, confirmed what he never wanted to believe that his mother was a murderer. In November 2001, the body of a young doctor named Andrew Bagby was discovered in Keystone State Park outside Latrobe, Pennsylvania, five bullet wounds in his face, chest, buttocks, and the back of the head. I'm absolutely sure. Instead, the hearings and appeals dragged on for nearly two years. And I, wanted to scream, `My son's life is on hold forever, and you have the audacity, to apologize to this accused murderer?' And that little boy. killing Zachary in a murder-suicide. David Bagby, who plans to send a copy of his book to key Canadian legislators, says he will continue to fight for bail reform. One contains the remains of their son, Dr. Andrew Bagby. Andrew, despite his obvious abilities, was turned down by every medical school in the country. Add a bio, trivia, and more. We decided that on the plane.. The reason we go through the lawyers is so that we. Christopher Snow, of St. Michael and All Angels Church, which the Bagbys attended in Newfoundland. You will get an email reminder before your trial ends. He just lit up when he saw Kate, David says. As far as Andrew was concerned, the relationship was a fling nothing serious. Thankfully, their relationship didn't turn into a lifelong romance. It was a congloption, Kate says of the menu. MORRISON: Andrew's best friend, filmmaker Kurt Kuenne, suddenly, just knew what he had begun as a small film to memorialize his old friend. While fending off extradition efforts by U.S. law enforcement, she announced she was pregnant with Andrew's son, Zachary. As the Bagbys settled into their renewed life, Turner pursued an appeal of her November jailing. How they were able to do that is phenomenal, actually, says the Rev. MORRISON: Despite it all, the Bagbys were thrilled to be living, with Zachary. But he could not get rid of her.. They seemed so real and genuine, and showed more raw emotion than any survivor of a crime I hadn't ever seen before. "You ask yourself, 'How could that happen?'". GARDNER: (Audio recording) I understand that. In June, the federal justice minister ordered her turned over to U.S. authorities. (Shirley and Zachary at birthday party; birthday party), KATE: He didn't want to open presents, you know, he wanted to get, down. is a eulogy for a dead son, an elegy for lives cut tragically short, and a castigation of a broken system. And in the meantime, without that crucial piece of evidence to charge her with Andrew's murder, Shirley Turner quietly left US soil and returned home to Newfoundland. But he was accepted here, St. John's, Newfoundland, the easternmost point in North America. I have to tell you that Andrew is dead. I was just gone. As someone very invested in this story, I am enjoying this book so far. After Andrew Bagby's death, Turner left Pennsylvania for Newfoundland, her home province, and gave birth to their son. You never know whats going to make you sit and cry for the day.. This book ends in heartbreaking tragedy. Here the grandparents are making nice with the woman they believe killed their, son. Mackenzie Long graduated from The George Washington University in 2021 with a Bachelor of Business Administration. After viewing product detail pages, look here to find an easy way to navigate back to pages you are interested in. MORRISON: And now that she was freed, Shirley would once again, Mr. BAGBY: We had to take him down the stairs and give him to, Shirley's friend, who happened to have a car seat. They both rejected her, and she responded by killing them. unforgivable and that's just the way it's going to be for the rest of my life. Whom was also a doctor. Kate and David Bagby's beloved son was murdered by a deranged ex-lover, who then announced she was carrying his baby. One of the first to meet Zachary was, (Photo of Zachary Turner; wedding dance; photo of Shirley and Zachary; photo. Did anyone have more friends than he? This provision has a good chance of causing judges and prosecutors to fix what got Zachary killed.". And he'd be like(turns. Mackenzie spent a semester studying abroad in Dublin, and has had the travel bug ever since. put Zachary on her lap to open presents, and he resists. The Bagbys went to the morgue to identify their bodies. And it was the happiest they had been since the days before their son was murdered. ago [removed] duraraross 5 mo. The Turner report says their relationship soon deteriorated. I had a husband I loved. They might as well have sent a taxi to her to help take him out and drown him. (Photos of David and Kate with Zachary; Shirley being escorted from court). But he was moved to honor his friend the best way he knew how, by making a film. `You gave me a lovely son, and now it's over.'. She was here.' David can go from nearly shaking in anger when he talks about the murder to almost sobbing in sadness over the memory of his boy. I had NO idea what the outcome was going to be. The other, their grandson, Zachary Turner. ", Audience Relations, CBC P.O. MORRISON: But was that what you assumed had happened? Just from that, conversation, you could kind of get the sense that she didn't want Zachary, MORRISON: And for the Bagbys, Shirley issued what sounded somehow. I didnt know Americans could quote Shakespeare.'. "We had a complete meltdown," says David. I was lucky to get my hands on a copy of this hard to find book and was glad I did. For an optimal experience visit our site on another browser. They held their breath. See rank. Since their son was murdered in 2001 and their year-old grandchild was killed in Newfoundland in 2003,the California couple hasn't bothered decking the halls, but now they're celebrating alegal victory in the case. Unidentified Man #20: The weather here is terrible. Mr. BAGBY: And part of Andrew's problem was, I think, he was just too nice to say, you know, `Get the hell out of my life. He made sure to wrap Zachary in a blanket (rather than a bag) and kept him as far away from Shirley's corpse as he could. However, as events transpired, the focus shifted to the incompetence of the Canadian courts in keeping Turner behind bars, as well as the plight of Bagby's parents, David and Kate, as they battled to get custody of the last remnant of their slain son. They had tapped into their retirement accounts to get by. And he was crying, so I went into the ladies room and sat there, KATE: Made her very angry. MORRISON: You're in turmoil at that point. What terrible conditions he came into this world under, Kate says. May give you a new appreciation for being an American. As Turner fought her extradition on murder charges, the Bagbys fought for custody of their grandchild. KATE: And so she said, `Oh, take him and get him dressed,' to me. ', Mr. SIMPSON: And I told him, I said, `You know, Andrew, when I break up with somebody and put them on a plane and send them 1300 miles away,' I said, `They knock on my front door, I'm going out the back door and I'm calling the police.' 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